I give them a failing grade because neither gun reliably goes bang each time you pull the trigger on factory ammo. The warranty cant be beat. The CW380 sucks. How is the pot metal Cobra #2? In this review, we will cover the disadvantages of the .380 pistol that the LCP II sought to remedy, what makes the LCP II an improvement over the original LCP, and the uses for and specifications of the LCP II. Remember, these are life-or-death guns, not gopher guns or race guns. Definitelythe first Gen 1 models had problemsHowever, the second Gen 2 models are fine. I told him Im shooting the same Remington ammo in all of them (I dont use the reloads or Russian stuff). You got to be a rookie. This crowdsourced data points arent perfect, but if a product gets a statistically significant number of votes, we get a pretty good idea of how it stacks up thanks to the wisdom-of-crowds phenomenon. My God, have you really shot or even handled one? they gladly took it back and said the Cobra .380 was selling like hotcakes. You must not even be able to read. My NAA .380 ACP with Novak 3 dot night sights has been 100% reliable with every ammo tried and as accurate as I am. I dont expect any pocket gun to be pleasant to shoot, but I ditched my Hellcat after experiencing multiple failures to eject two types of ammo. Jimenez was one former name for Cobra also Loren was also a former name . The LCP isnt that bad. All I know is my 1st CPX-2 had to be sent in for service 30 minutes after I got it home. Im about to order some more. LMFAO!!!! Thus it works as a safety (just like a S&W revolver). Like a great car or movie, a great firearm can become a true classic. None. I own two of them, shoot pockets guns each week and have been for years. Do they now have 12 round mags? Wecantdislike shooting it so much that well never practice with it. I put the new glock style slide release on mine and it is a little slimmer now. They sent me a replacement gun that wouldnt chamber the 1st round. The S&W MP EZ 380 read the reviews even on the Glock site they praise the SW MP 380 EZ Those were the worst. That could happen with any gun someone didnt ,maintain and hadnt tested out at the range. The tiny gun is lightweight, inexpensive and comfortable to carry. I posted a new post today regarding the nonsense by this author about the Pico. (2) You have no idea who the reviewers are and what their qualifications to rate a firearm areeven if they tell you. My advice. Well, youre in luck, because your fellow Americans have voted, and for some pocket guns, the results arent pretty . Yeah, apparently without the server capacity to handle the resulting load increase, too. The only guns to get near a 100 votes are the Beretta and the SCCY. I happen to own a SCCY and have never ever had a FTF or FTE its a very light and compact gun in a 9mm platform with 11 rounds I cant count on my DB380 to run consistently, so I had to give it a low rating. http://www.waltherarms.com/wp-content/uploads/ppk-beauty2.jpg Have owned and shot most of them. Built like a tank. Yes, the LCP II is still a .380 pocket pistol and as a result is still snappy. We buy a pocket gun for last-ditch self defense, which literally makes it a do-or-die gun. I. i cant effectively describe the feel of the action; except to say it was similar to dragging a cinder block up a gravel hill. Can't argue with Sig, but I'd also add Beretta to that list, both the This is like the buzzfeed of gun articles. Ive never seen one that ran well or was anything but unpleasant to shoot, provided you can get more than one round off without a misfeed. .380 pocket pistols are traditionally difficult to fire for a number of reasons: in addition to the horrid trigger pulls like we just discussed, they also suffer from being extremely snappy due to their small size. Its very much a personal decision then, based on fit, function, and how well it shoots. Get real. The one I had was utter shit. NOPE! Sorry, but NOT my Kahr. Keep the .4 calibers to compact, mid, or full-size. Years ago a mentor and I were at a range with an iron 30 plate/gong at 270 yards. I would even venture to say its a 50/50 gamble when buying a Kel Tec. I love my CPX-1. In a fight you wont notice it. With a much lighter trigger, enhanced slide serrations, wider grip, impressive stippling job, and the ability to slide lock on the last round, the LCP II is a definitive improvement over other comparable .380 pocket guns. Did he shoot various ammo or run them for accuracy. Not any more fun to shoot, but at least I dont need a damned pencil to take spent brass out of it. http://www.waltherarms.com/wp-content/uploads/ppk-beauty1.jpg They have gotten great reviews and by the serial numbers and manufacture dates on the 2 guns, their sales have gone up 4x but the QC has suffered greatly. Solid with FMJ round nose once broken in, will NOT feed hollow points until after a trip back to the factory. I would bet my life on this smallish, nice looking pistol. When I hear someone put down the Pico, I know they do not shoot often. Trigger sucked. That thing is a freaking beast of a gun in terms of durability (yes, I have seen torture tests of it). I love this site and usually stand behind the things written on it, but this is absolute trash and clickbait. Ill definitely be checking it out. I also have the Kahr. Jed Henson runs the handgun review and rating site gunsgunsguns.net. Great gun otherwise. Sure just I sell guns and have ZERO hesitation about selling someone a CPX-2 for everyday carry. Think he went through that with customer service Ill give ya the mag though. What utter nonsense! Granted, .380 pocket autos are not guns that you take to the range for fun. His comment about the mag release tell xme his knowledge of the Beretta Pico is limited to picking one up at the most. And we have to like it enough to carry it. Yes it did. TTAG is the Roseanne Barr of reviews. Mine also runs well, and they feel really well made. You did NOT mention that the Pico has RE-STRIKE CAPAPIBILITY. You can get these on line at times for The muzzle blast can be quite impressive and women should definitely fire their guns at the range. Yes, Im sure theyre out there, but the odds youll score one of those unicorns remain low. Last but not least, and while this is entirely personal preference, many regard .380 autos as having poor ergonomics due to the fact that their extraordinarily small size means you cant get a full grip on them. That right there should have indicated that something was up when they feature it at a SHOT SHOW and it takes 2 years to finally put it out for sale. For their size they are accurate but these are not range guns (especially the CM40). And worst and I do mean worst of all is the Magazine release, which might be the most poorly placed, poorly designed and impossible mag release on any gun ive ever handled. Here is some news for you. Personally, Id like to see something a little more scientific than a survey since we have no idea if the respondents even handled the firearm. For its purpose, NOT Bullseye competition, it is a fine gun. Worst complaint is the trigger, but a lot of dry fires with snap caps and you condition yourself to the long reset. Avoid Straight Blowback pistols These have a barrel permanently affixed to the frame versus the Delayed Blowback pistols, who have a barrel th Oh well the TCP I had isnt top 5-it ran good for me. In contrast to this, the original LCP did not lock back on the final round. The trigger is long and weighty but smooth. Combined with the teflon-like nickle finish and the worlds stiffest recoil spring, its almost impossible to rack. Women need to be told about the woman in Birmingham who was being robbed and pulled out a gun. Do you perhaps have a very early one? Bodyguard were well rated. And I have not shot one better then these in the same weight and AOL class. Lol, it is more than obvious that John Hope does not have a clue about the Beretta Pico. A 380 is about as wide as a 9mm. However it is about 1/2 as powerful, 1/2 the weight and velocity. For a very long time 9mm was considered the rock Having visited that site, I dont think their rating system really gives me enough information to choose between firearms. I am no statistician but most of the sample sizes were very small. I would buy one if I needed another inexpensive backup carry gun. It jammed after the first shot, but he hit the intruder in the chest. Here are some basic facts for the Ruger LCP II: In conclusion, the Ruger LCP II simply represents the beginning of the evolution of the .380 pocket pistol. In +P it hurt my hand, so I went to regular 38 spcl. If its good Ill spread the word. George have you tried a different ammo brand? The ratings would be a lot more reliable if everyone had to write a review along with the rating. BTW except for the cobra all these little guns got good reviews at various timesFWIW. I think Jimenez and Lorcen companies went bankrupt. So the recoil is stout. M&P Shield EZ .380 6. Still cant find that silent u in it to make it sky. It pains me to include the DB380 on this list because I bought one acouple years ago. Ruger sought out to remedy much of these problems with the LCP II. He rated it 2.5 stars out of 5 and wrote, I dont hate it. Still, thats pretty tepid, and our readers rate it well below average. Sean, I cannot find documentation of John Lott having bought reviews on Amazon. Like others, I am a bit surprised by the poor showing of the Beretta. It is my favorite except the 15 ounce weight makes it have more recoil than a typical 9mm. You do not have one clue about what you are talking about. One thing that was not improved over the original LCP, however, is the sights. I had 4 LCPs that went down with cracked grips, frames, broken take down pin, split rails etc. +1. The trigger is long and has some over travel but its very smooth. I like mine. And that considering the Kahr is a fine gun. Probably ran 150 round through it so far. This article was total BS. Cobra lasted 10 minutes in my house. Stainless steel throughout the gun. around $219 plus S&H and ffl fees. Im guessing a .40 S&W round is just too unpleasant to shoot in this uber lightweight polymer-framed pocket gun. I would very much like to see your proof/examples. Extremely Mild, Plus P rated, Modular design, mags that look like Custom 1911 stainless steel. The DAO trigger is long but is consistent and smooth. Though my CW380 was also unreliable and pinched my finger after firing. I dont know the story behind why but we can only guess. But if ultimate concealment is the need, then just accept that it will need to be .380. How is the P3AT above the middle of the list? Im curious as to how you derived your +/- error bars and why you are calling 25-50 votes statistically significant. Those are awfully small sample sizes compared to the number of guns of each make/model in production. By the way, break down the Kahr and compare it to the Pico. The trigger is about smooth and deliberate. SIG P238 Why Use a .380 Pistol? Of course the gun was the new upgraded model. . I have 2 of them. 400 rounds! I have a KAHR CM40 and a CW40 and for their intended purpose they are great. The trigger is fantastic, and reassuring in handling and holstering (leather IWB) in ways that Glock is not. This is the J-Frame for the masses. But for a handgun of last resort, I prefer an Airweight. Shoots fine, never a problem, kills my hand. I doubt he even read the directions. I bought one of the .380 Seecamps when they first came out. Stainless STEEL barrel, CHASSIS, best sights made on a pocket gun, Magazines that look like Custume 1911, all stainless steel with even a Steel follower. its a good resource with a lot of basic info on a LOT of handguns, a good start for anyone looking at a first gun, for example, or a second, for that matter. How do they perform? My SCCY runs like a champ. I dont see it. Could not disagree more with the articles 3rd selection, namely, the SCCY Industries CPX-2 (not to be confused with its predecessor which had issues of which were acknowledged by the company and subsequently corrected). I would love to meet you and show you what your are NOT talking about. For College Campuses! Look at the back of the slide. There are many different 380 pistol options, but our favorites include the following: Ruger LCP II, Walther PK380, Kel-tec P3AT, Taurus Spectrum, and M&P Shield EZ. With pocket pistols you get so much more in terms of everything for every little uptick in size you go. i used to own a keltec p11. OMG! You can buy 1911s now. Hellcat 380. And for sure never shot one. While larger .380 pistols such as the Walther PPK/S, Walther PK380, Bersa Thunder 380, and Glock 42 dont have this problem, the truly small pocket pistols such as the LCP and TCP most certainly do. The trigger reset does suck but its still a great gun. BUT! Thats a lot! Personally, Id avoid far more than just the bottom six. Also cobra has a lifetime warranty on their guns if you do the warranty. Three weeks before it was even released. The Pico is built like a tank. Just a BS review to gain clicks and views. Certainly one of the ugliest pistols ever manufactured, this weapon made the list of worst military pistols because its dangerous design easily surpassed its repellant appearance. either love or hate. Their guns get copied because George Kelgren never copyrighted the designs. The Sccy gets a 4.3 rating and it stinks? That gun, the TCP, gets pretty good marks everywhere Ive seen it reviewed, so I wouldnt expect it to show up on a pocket guns to avoid list. I have put about 2000 rounds through them 100% reliable so far. It is accurate, easy to shoot, recoil is manageable. 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