MF: They have since claimed that that is not what they [laughs] insinuated, I believe my former lawyer spoke to it in The New Yorker piece. So Im not sure if it was Penn who reached out to her or vice versa, which I think is also an important question in all of this. Medical records, records from child welfare services, corroborating letters from detectives and lawyers and elementary, middle, and high school teachers, childhood friends, professors basically everyone who had known me. And that was the end of it, right? [4] Within days, the father of one of Fierceton's Whitfield friends, and a high-school classmate using an anonymous email, contacted Penn to inform them she had apparently misrepresented herself and had actually spent most of her childhood in her mother's home in an affluent West County suburb of St. Louis. [7] The charges against Lovelace were dropped later for lack of evidence. So Im not sure if it was Penn who reached out to her or vice versa, which I think is also an important question in all of this. And so they had to see some benefit to them in doing this. She wasn't poor and grew up in a wealthy household with a successful mother. She got straight A's, served in student government, managed the field hockey team, played varsity soccer, and volunteered to assist with the local Special Olympics. That is when I would trace it back to. Yes. Penn acknowledged that, for that reason, it could not state definitely that those events did not take place but still, "the way [she] presents this information invites the reader to speculate when she herself states she does not have a clear recollection of the nature of this event, if it occurred. But it was in the sense of: I didnt recognize myself both because I was beaten and my face was swollen and whatever, and I felt like at rock bottom and broken. But once I got out of the hospital and I learned that information, I remembered that a classmate had died in the same basement about 16 months earlier. The Inquirer story came out in November 2020. Youre engaged in a lawsuit with Penn. [2], At the end of 2013, in the middle of her sophomore year, Fierceton was admitted to St. Luke's, where her mother worked, with a head injury. And I dont remember exactly what their statement was, but they disputed it. And in the U.S., there is much more pressure to pull kids out of homes, right? Mackenzie Fierceton, a graduate student at the University of Pennsylvania, has won the prestigious and extremely competitive Rhodes Scholarship, which will allow her to study at Oxford in November 2020. You didnt grow up in crumbling projects your entire life. And like: Why are you considered an independent student? Mackenzies critics even began nitpicking how much blood was in her hair while she was in the intensive care unit. She did not remember what had caused it. Yeah, so Penn First for the whole FGLI community. Penn officials, of course, have said the interview was appropriate. So I could imagine why at some point youd be like, you know what, Im just not going to keep taking Ls here. So you applied for your masters in social work and there was a question of whether to check the, what Ive learned is called the FGLI box: first-generation, low-income. "I really don't have words,'" she told a mentor at the Penn Women's Center. What happened the night before? But it was definitely something I saw happening sort of this funneling of kids from the child welfare to criminal justice system. He was earlier arrested in Chattanooga, Tennessee. So Im not sure how much could have been missing. Our focus is not on the debate it reviews over Mackenzie Fierceton's accounts of her life, though we affirm her integrity. She ruined her moms career. [2][h], In January 2020[4] Fierceton had a seizure and collapsed during a class for one of her graduate social work courses. Photograph by Robbie Lawrence for The New Yorker Mackenzie Fierceton grew up in a middle-class suburb of St. Louis. And so they had to see some benefit to them in doing this. The show was mixed by William Stanton. [2], Morrison, no longer employed by St. Luke's, then began the process of trying to restore her reputation by having all references to it removed from the public record. At first she went to a friend's home in Ohio and then returned to the Philadelphia area as May and graduation approached to live with a classmate's family. RG: Right. Our theme music was composed by Bart Warshaw. She thought that he had been very quickly removed from the building. When she was a teenager, she showed up bloodied and bruised at her elite private school. [2][4], After she had recovered from her seizure incident earlier that year, fellow students told her how difficult it had been for first responders to get to the basement of Caster Hall, where SP2 is based and holds most of its classes, and how difficult it had been to get her out. [14], Fierceton and her faculty supporters have suspected that Penn's investigation of her, and its determination to cast aspersions on her credibility, may be related to her role in fomenting a wrongful death suit filed against the university in August 2020, before she had been announced as a Rhodes Scholarship winner. Jay Caspian Kang sounded similar themes in two different New York Times newsletters discussing Fierceton's story. Enough bruises? ", However, in its report, Penn notes that Fierceton had, in an essay (which it allows may not have actually been submitted) for her application for a travel, The Rhodes report acknowledged her documentation of an email she wrote to a reporter at the, Penn's investigation noted that even if Fierceton had been referring to the Chesterfield police rather than the. But I agreed to come into this Zoom meeting and this was the last day of November 2020. OSC referred the recommendation to an SP2 panel to make a final determination; she has subsequently appealed the decision. The Intercept is an independent nonprofit news outlet. RG: So I could imagine why at some point youd be like, you know what, Im just not going to keep taking Ls here. I think they do have a richer experience if they have more diversity around them, but that is more the point. Whereas white parents, a lot of times, it is much harder the bar is much higher to remove them from their homes because their whiteness or possibly class privilege or whatever identities that they have that might not fit a social worker or judges or whoevers involved perception of whose kids should be in the foster system. Because thats not how we understand poverty. . Fierceton's mother's supporters have maintained that her daughter was an emotionally manipulative girl who injured herself and fabricated other aspects of the abuse in order to become a more appealing candidate for admission to an Ivy League college such as the University of Pennsylvania. Fierceton described herself as a first-generation college applicant who came from a low-income, foster-care background. And so the fact that shes continued pursuing you to me kind of demonstrates the entire case. Mackenzie Fierceton was named Penn's 2021 Rhodes Scholar. RG: who was, I believe now, the acting provost. So normally the term FGLI, its just an umbrella term for both. As in Fierceton's case, it took an hour to remove Driver from the building. I think its a reflection of the systemic prejudices . So the Rhodes Trust ended up after their quote-investigation, and I submitted all the evidence, they ended up still recommending that my scholarship be rescinded, uh, but I had another opportunity to respond to their report, which I absolutely wanted to do. And that is part of what felt like it gave me such a home, is because we had these sort of underlying shared experiences, but all came from different backgrounds to an extent, and all still supported and accepted one another. The reality star has struggled with drug addiction for years. And we have this idea of what a person looks like who commits a crime or who gets arrested for child abuse. Mackenzie Fierceton was deposed after seeking justice for a mature student, Cameron Driver, 38. She definitely asked some questions about it. And she had gone to a private school growing up. Right. ", Morrison said. In the lawsuit filed on Dec. 21, Fierceton, a 2021 School of Social Policy . And then throughout the now a year and a half process [laughs] of different sort of invented processes that happened, eventually the university was like: OK, I guess shes low-income. RG: And it has, has she stuck by that? Like, those two things dont fit together. How much research has been done on the foster-care-to-prison-pipeline? And we spoke for a long time and I went through everything I had found. You had mentioned that you actually made a transcript of your interview with Deputy Provost Finkelstein shortly after the conversation. And it felt very similar that, well, this cant be real. Because that was one of the ones that really blew my mind. RG: And so youre becoming rather inconvenient to the university at that point , RG: I would assume, which plays into the way that universities and elite structures think of diversity, I think. RG: That they would forward charges to the federal government of wire fraud. And they released this quote-unquote report in April of 2021 with their findings. So the students had to form a human chain from the first floor down to the basement where all our classes are to relay instructions from the paramedics, the Philadelphia paramedics, to the professor who was, to my understanding, performing CPR. How old were you when you were applying to college? In early 2022, after stories about her struggle with Penn and the Rhodes Trust received national attention from stories in The Chronicle of Higher Education and The New Yorker, commentators took the university, and American elite higher education in general, to task for its use of the story of Fierceton and some other recent Rhodes recipients as poverty porn and its shifting definition of an FGLI student. And Im curious where you would pinpoint it, but I would guess that its The Philadelphia Inquirer story that started with an incorrect lead that said: Mackenzie Fierston grew up poor, something very close to that? But the acclaim quickly devolved into acrimony as the university and the Rhodes Trust began questioning aspects of Fiercetons backstory. Teachers and parents at Whitfield had donated new clothing and school supplies for her. In The New Yorker piece, a nurse assigned to Mackenzie is quoted as saying, She had two black eyes, and her hair was full of blood. So yes, I know that is me. And so can you talk a little bit about your research? Theyre not on a website. And Im glad that people are having the kinds of systemic discussions that are so key to all of this. So [laughs] I feel like I could go on for hours about that. "I think that we could contribute to the community, the broader Philadelphia community, and the West Philadelphia community more positively, instead of doing things that are not only undermining them but are actively policing them, and end up creating and perpetuating more violence," she told The Daily Pennsylvanian, the university's student newspaper. "[b] She considered running away but had a distant relationship with her father, and nowhere else she believed she could go. [2] Her father, Billy Terrell,[1] had been an actor in soap operas. Yeah. Within days of the article being published, the universitys general counsel was in touch with Mackenzies mother. Morrison then brought suit in circuit court to have the board's decision reviewed and reversed. What about Rhodes? [c] Chewing was difficult as well, and she had a feeding tube inserted. But its interesting because most of the questions are about these applications and then the second half is when it turns to these questions of the abuse. Deconstructed is a production of First Look Media and The Intercept. And do you know Linda Tirado? RG: so that people have the background there. And so, Mackenzie, you and I were just talking offline. She was then admitted to Penn on a full scholarship, where she identified as a first-generation low-income (FGLI) student despite her background due to her estrangement from her parents and lack of financial support from them, a classification she says Penn officials told her was acceptable in those circumstances. Youre welcome to talk to Penn Police or their Division of Special Services or the Womens Center, or any program that Ive been involved in, or people that have been involved in supporting me who can corroborate this. [2], Wendy Ruderman, a reporter for The Philadelphia Inquirer, called Fierceton to interview her for a story about the scholarship. At the University of Pennsylvania, she received a bachelor's degree in political science and a master's degree in social work through a combined five-year program. First of all, thats one box? Fierceton had apparently made much of her status as a 'first generation, low income' student, an abuse survivor who aged out of foster care. MF: You know, I honestly dont know. Is it as well explored territory as a school-to-prison pipeline? And I turned over all this information to his widow. RG: Right. Mackenzie Fierceton has lost her Rhodes scholarship and her University of Pennsylvania master's degree is being held after an anonymous tipster called out alleged inaccuracies in her school and scholarship applications. So these are all things Ive learned [laughs] I learned after the fact. And did you find this after The New Yorker article was published? And I decided to do it cause I felt like I had nothing to lose and I ended up making gratitude lists every day for years and it really was a very healing experience for me. Logan filed her wrongful death suit in August 2020, alleging Penn was negligently responsible for her husband's death through failing to make Caster properly accessible and not making SP2 develop an emergency response protocol. She entered foster care only at the age of 17, after making a complaint of abuse against Dr. Morrison a complaint that a court later found not to be credible. Am I right about that? Uh, my lawyer. Also, there was a delay in getting the Penn Police there because they didnt know where the building was. RG: And that feels like one of them where it feels like the system is willfully misunderstanding reality in order to bend it in their direction. [23] In mid-April, Penn released Fierceton's master's degree. I think they have said, well, theres different definitions and the dean who is the dean of the grad school said: Well, thats not our definition. Or is this something thats been overlooked? She had bruises all over her body in different stages of healing an obvious sign of child abuse., No, I found it before. In April, the trust's investigative committee produced a 15-page report praising Fierceton as "gifted, driven, and charismatic" but concluding ultimately that she "created and repeatedly shared false narratives about herself", noting in particular her references to injuries she was treated for in her September 2014 hospital stay that are not reflected in her medical records. 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